Episode 6: John Bartels & QF30

| April 17, 2011 | 12 Comments

Qantas Flight 30 (QF30) was a Qantas Boeing 747-438 (construction number 25067 & registered in Australia as VH-OJK). QF30 was a scheduled flight from London to Melbourne with a stopover in Hong Kong on 25 July 2008. The flight was interrupted when an oxygen tank exploded causing a fuselage rupture just forward of the starboard wing root. There were no injuries and the plane made an emergency (rapid) descent and diverted into Manilla (Philippines).

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In this episode of Flight Podcast, we talk to the commander of that flight, Captain John Bartels. We talk to Neville Blyth that, at the time of the incident, was the investigator in charge of the occurrence.

We also talk to a first class passenger, Mark Strachan. Mark was travelling with his wife and daughter and shares his unique experience.

JB inspects 747 damage

Captain John Bartels inspecting the 747 damage in Manilla

Length of the podcast

We can only apologise for the length of the podcast (a little over 2 hours). In the interests of compiling a feature that would serve as a reference for pilots and non-pilots, it was important for us to include a mix of material that addressed key issues relating to air safety.

You’ll be happy to know that our discussions with Dick Rutan has been edited to about one hour.

Extras

There is a small amount of audio we’ve included in ‘extras’ that makes information available that was removed from the release program. They’re included at the bottom of this page.

ATSB Report

You may download the ATSB final report here.

Audio Index (in brief)

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00:00:00 Introduction
00:00:40 Ken & Marty introduce the program

00:01:47 Captain John Bartels

00:02:00 John’s aviation background in the Navy & Qantas (06:40)
00:10:57 QF30 Incident & Discussion
00:25:00 Turn, fuel dump & diversion into Manilla
00:28:00 Airbus ECAM versus Boeing EICAS – who should have control?
00:29:30 Nav systems and preparation for approach
00:34:00 Audio of Captain Bartel’s cabin PA on the ground in Manilla
00:34:35 Anything done differently in the way of communication?
00:35:10 “Rapid Descent”, automatic announcement & oxygen deployment/management
00:36:30 Failure management compared to Airbus 380 QF32
00:37:45 Approach, landing & terminal in Manilla
00:40:00 Crew after the event, QF trauma management & briefings
00:42:05 Bartels picks up the aircraft from Manilla
00:42:47 QF30 in the media
00:43:45 Dissemination of information through QF (comparison QF32)
00:45:48 Simulator exercises
00:46:23 Final ATSB report. Oxygen cylinder
00:49:35 Cabin crew – slight criticism
00:50:35 Would you have done anything differently?
00:51:20 Effectiveness and role of CRM training
00:53:34 Hero?

Post discussion with John

00:54:50 Failure rate of cabin & flight crew
00:56:45 Evolution of the CRM program
00:58:16 QF30 in the flight training department
01:01:10 Reaction of company & crew to ATSB report
01:03:10 A380 versus B747 – same incident

Nev Blyth (ATSB Investigator in charge)

01:04:32 Neville Blyth Introduction
01:04:55 Nev’s history prior to the ATSB (and aviation experience)
01:11:36 QF30 management
01:13:04 QF30 – What happened?
01:17:00 How can we be sure when the cylinder is lost?
01:23:05 ATSB recommendations
01:24:24 Oxygen masks in the cabin
01:28:37 What’s Nev’s opinion on the failure?
01:33:03 Farewell

Mark Strachan (First class passenger)

01:34:26 Mark Strachan Introduction
01:34:58 Why Mark was on the flight
01:35:28 Narrative of flight details
01:39:48 Daughter’s oxygen mask
01:40:42 Seatbelt?
01:41:50 Physiological effects & effects of depressurisation
01:43:54 Performance of cabin crew
01:45:20 10’000 feet -> Manilla
01:46:56 Advantage having flying experience?
01:48:22 Another flight within a week of the incident
01:49:06 Wife’s post traumatic stress
01:50:53 Cabin interaction with flight deck
01:51:28 Confidence of Qantas post accident
01:53:15 Farewell

Post Discussion

01:53:30 CrewResourceManagement.com
01:55:15 Twitter accounts (Metar & news feeds – see below
01:59:50 Where you can find us
02:00:11 Thanks to our guests and details
02:01:06 Dick Rutan preview
02:03:45 Disclaimer
02:04:04 End

Images of the incident


External View


Bank of Cylinders


R2 Door (cabin crew station)


More images are available in the ATSB report or via our knowledge base.

Our thanks to:

  • Captain John Bartels, Qantas
  • Neville Blyth, ATSB
  • Mark Strachan
  • Qantas Media & Qantas PR
  • The entire crew of QF30

Glossary
Here are just a few terms used by hosts and guests


EICAS

Engine Indicating Crew Alerting System
ECAM

Electronic Centralized Aircraft Monitoring
ILS

Instrument Landing System
FMC

Flight Management Computers
“12345″

VHF radio frequency of 123.45Mhz often used for pilot-to-pilot communications
EP’s

Emergency Procedures
LOFT

Line-Oriented Flight Training

EXTRA audio
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John Bartels & QF30 [download]

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John Bartels (extra) [download]

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Nev Blyth (extra) [download]

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Mark Strachan (extra) [download]

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More extras coming soon (3 additional passengers)

Next time on Flight Podcast

In the next episode of Flight Podcast we have a fascinating talk with legendary pilot Dick Rutan.

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  1. [...] A very interesting Podcast featuring our own jb747 and the QF30 oxygen tank explosion incident. Episode 6: John Bartels & QF30 : Flight Podcast [...]

  2. Brian Gerard Butler says:

    I can’t believe I’m the first person to comment on this website given that the program has been listened to by just about every person I know. It would be really great if you could have JB back on to talk about his military history and such. It’s all very interesting. You make it easy for the public to appreciate the claim of Qantas’ pilots for job security when you broadcast the dedication and passion that these people have for both their company and craft. Joyce hasn’t done much for the company except make Virgin’s services more appealing to QF passengers and it’s a shame when we’re (I still use the team we but the truth is I’m a few years retired from the trade) crewed by such a passionate team of people.

    I extend my dearest thanks to your team for sharing your obvious talents with the community. You’re doing a great job and we should all be thankful. Cheers. Brian.

    • Marty says:

      Thanks for the kind words, Brian. We’ll certainly have ‘JB’ back on but you may find it’ll be on a new program that contains Australian content almost exclusively. We’re not heading the project but we’re certainly involved. Thanks again.

  3. Crystal says:

    Just a note to say that I absolutely love your podcasts and this one is no exception. Bravo!

  4. Anna says:

    Truly awesome job as always. I literally can’t wait for number 7.

  5. Erin Shah says:

    I was a passenger on QF30 so hearing this was kind of theroputic. I feel a lot better about what happened and i don’t care what Captain Bartels says we think he’s a hero.

  6. Kenneth McIntyre says:

    Professionally produced. Intelligent presenters. Well researched. Brilliantly presented. Captivating content. Simply the best podcast in Australia. Bravo.

  7. Darren says:

    Essential listening for all Qantas and other airline crew. You’ve made more information available here than we have available in QF! Well done to JB and Flight Podcast. Awesome work.

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  10. [...] did he manage this unprecedented event?   It’s all documented in this recorded interview here that is a “must listen” for every pilot.  The ATSB report is also great [...]

  11. Nathaniel Offer says:

    I haven’t listened to this yet in fact I was just about to start when I decided to have a look at this page.

    I just wanted to commend you on the level of detail you have gone into with this write up.
    > Audio index
    > Photographs
    > Link to the official report
    > Plus the outtakes that didn’t fit into the main show.

    It’s hard to believe you’re only 6 episodes old.

    Well done!

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